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Hello,

It's come to my attention that for whatever reason, members of this site have been going on the site I use to make customs and telling people not to work with me and that I share them here. Due to this backstabbery, I will no longer be able to post videos for this community. I won't name any names but I do know who they are. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Cheers.

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Yes no doubt, that is terrible.  Not sure who would do that deliberately.  I admit I wouldn't mind contacting them to make me a video, but I would never mention seeing any of their stuff prior.  That just seems like it would be bad karma anyway.  Not sure who from here would be doing something maliciously, especially since you have to pay to even talk to any of the girls on that site.  I, for one, appreciate all the content you have given us Lux.  Thank you. 

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23 hours ago, Lux & Nox said:

Hello,

It's come to my attention that for whatever reason, members of this site have been going on the site I use to make customs and telling people not to work with me and that I share them here. Due to this backstabbery, I will no longer be able to post videos for this community. I won't name any names but I do know who they are. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Cheers.

Alright, I might come across as the bad guy here, but I have a few thoughts after reading this post that I just wanted to toss out there into the conversation.  First, I want to be clear that I had nothing to do with informing anyone about anything, in case anyone might be thinking I am the culprit.

However, I do think that content creators should have some say in how their content is used and distributed.  If a woman produces a video of herself, that she wishes to monetize, what right do any of us have to take that and share it freely?  My guess is that these producers aren't exactly becoming wealthy from these videos, so even relatively minor sharing can really hurt them.  Of course, they might not mind their videos being shared, as long as they get paid to produce it in the first place, but shouldn't that be their choice?  You used the term "backstabbery," but perhaps these content creators feel stabbed in the back that their customer is taking content meant for individual private viewing and posting it publicly on a forum?

21 hours ago, Lux & Nox said:

@lamxinkeat Thank you :) But no, you cannot contact them lol that's what is getting me in trouble. Wetting is not allowed on the site for whatever reason. Any mixture between this forum and the site causes me extreme trouble. So, I can no longer afford to post videos if people are doing what they are : /

There are other sites that do allow wetting content.  Clips4sale even has panty wetting and pants/jeans wetting categories, so that might be worth checking out.

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9 hours ago, facade said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the OP the content creators?

Maybe... I wasn't 100% clear based on the post alone.  The impression I got was that the OP was requesting and paying for customized videos on a clip type site, like Clips4Sale, but then posting the resulting videos here.  It seemed to me the whole reason the OP felt betrayed was that someone from this forum started contacting the girls who were producing videos for him and informed them that he was publicly sharing their content here, the result being those girls no longer willing to make custom videos for him.

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Hello,

Just for clarification, this is a bit incorrect.

The models I work with - we don't use MGF. They take a huge portion of what girls make so we go off site. More of an agreement between two people at this point. We do meet there though.

But, unless you're a member of the site and are aware of the rules, it wouldn't make sense as to why it's dangerous. Wetting is not allowed on the site. Getting girls off site, is not allowed either. If a member from this site contacts one of the girls I work with and mentions these things - those words are flagged on the site automatically and they can get banned.

Usually, the videos I post don't feature girls with active accounts anyways, but when they do...it gets messy.

Also, I was kidding with the "backstabbery". The person didn't know any better. I do not feel betrayed, but I cannot continue either.

I hope this helps to clarify the situation somewhat, Tvguy.

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You avoided to address @TVGuy's main point: Whether you, "the customer", are free to distribute or share freely the intellectual property generated by the content creators without agreement between the two parties. To put it plainly: Did you ask their permission?

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On 2017-02-10 at 1:17 AM, Low-Key Friar said:

You avoided to address @TVGuy's main point: Whether you, "the customer", are free to distribute or share freely the intellectual property generated by the content creators without agreement between the two parties. To put it plainly: Did you ask their permission?

This is indeed an extremely important point. I would hope that the moral compass held by the spirit of this community is an obvious one, and we take consent and similar things very seriously. If these videos are put up here without their consent, and they obviously don't want them to be with this causing issues for them, this could cause some issues here. Action might need to be taken in such a case, for obvious reasons.

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7 hours ago, AquaVitae said:

Usually when you order a custom content, it's understood that it's yours and you can do whatever you want with it. Otherwise, there is little incentive for anyone to buy the often higher-priced customs. People would just make "clip requests" which they would then buy like everyone else if and when they get produced. The way I understand the story being told-

There is a porn website Lux and Nox goes to. This website employs models. Some of these models have exclusive agreements with this website, stating that they won't produce content for anyone else but the website. The website forbids itself to do wetting content, and perhaps through whatever agreement it has with its models, also forbids them to do it if they aren't exclusive to the site.  Lux and Nox contacted one or more of these models directly to produce custom  wetting clips, without the website's knowledge or approval. Someone else from omorashi.org liked the model(s) and wanted to also ask them for wetting customs, but instead made the mistake of going through the website, thus making the website aware that its models were being contacted to make forbidden content.

I don't see a consent issue implied anywhere in that story, and we had no reason to believe as much anytime before. I don't want to see this community start putting its content contributors on trial like this. He most certainly does NOT have to answer this question because there is no reason to believe there is any sort of consent issue, and there is no reason to believe these videos were any different from other custom videos.

Websites do have exclusive agreements with some models. If you go to WettingHerPanties http://www.wettingherpanties.com/en/models.php you can see the exclusive contract models right there at the top of the page. If Lux and Nox's story is to be believed -and I see absolutely NO reason not to- then the model violated such a contract either by working with him at all, or by producing content that her contract did not allow, most likely for the extra money Lux and Nox was providing. He and the model(s) may be guilty of some shady under-the-table dealings, but that has nothing to do with this site, and in fact most of that responsibility would be on the models' shoulders, not even his.

It's probably a moot point anyway. He's no longer going to post here.

Agreed. 

From what I understand a lot of these websites take a significant cut from what their models make-it's not unreasonable for the models to seek extra work for custom vids elsewhere. I do not believe there should be any fault in the customer, as all the customer does is ask. It is ultimately up to the provider to say yes or no.

That being said, I'm not placing blame on the models either. Signing a contract forbidding them to do private work is standard in a lot of industries (not even referring to porn)-but a lot of people violate it., for the exact same reason. I don't even consider it shady, i think it's people trying to make a living the best they can, against companies trying to profit as much as possible. One just needs to be careful....

I also see no consent issue; things get a little foggy because this is media content and not necessarily a "tangible" product, but I think unless the model stipulates somewhere in writing it is not to be shared, there is no basis for a consent argument; at that point it would be purely subjective. 

Just wanted to toss my two cents in as I have had to sign NDA agreements throughout my employment in various fields, and this seems to just be another political issue....

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Uhh. Kind of forgot I posted this! A lot to come back to. Thank you to everyone who commented. 

To clarify, I will meet models on MGF. Then, we exchange info and go offsite so that they can be paid in full and not have mgf take half of their work. A win win.

I do not share videos solely made through MGF anymore as I began to realize that might be shady territory, kind of.

So, its an agreement between two people. Technically, I can do what I like with the videos. As can you. I've seen people try to sell videos I've made as their own. I don't really care. 

It comes down to this. If they ask not for it to be shared, I will not share it. If they don't care, then I share it because why not.

The whole reason I post is to share with the community because I know people will appreciate it. Also, you can't put a price on seeing your fantasies come true.

I might start posting again but I really don't want to get anyone in trouble or break any rules or ruin someone's day, you know?

We'll see what happens :)

 

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