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To whom it may concern,

Within the next couple weeks I will be updating the members area at HD Wetting and HD Diapers.  The changes will make the members area easier to navigate and mobile friendly.  However, the ability to download and save videos will be going away.  Like Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and others, HD Wetting and HD Diapers will become streaming video platforms.  The videos will be able to be streamed on mobile devices and in full HD quality. 

When I first started HD Wetting I wanted to provide immediate streaming access, so users could enjoy videos right away without having to download.  HTML 5 video wasn't supported by most browsers back then, and mobile streaming would have required a dedicated app.  The site used Flash streaming, but even then, streaming in full HD wasn't terribly realistic.  The only way for users to enjoy the videos in full quality was to offer downloads.

Since then, things have changed a lot.  HTML5 makes it possible to stream video without specialized plugins on any manner of devices.  Widespread support of the h.264 codec and faster internet speeds have made HD streaming a realistic option.  We are accustomed to being able to stream our content on demand.  Downloading is simply no longer necessary to deliver full HD quality, and it seems a bit archaic that the only way to watch the videos in full HD, to this point, has been to have to download the files and watch them in an external player.

So why take away the download option for a download?  Two reasons, primarily.  First, I spend a significant amount of time simply supporting the downloads.  I find myself needing to help users locate the downloaded video, find proper software for playing the video, and troubleshoot any manner of codec issues.  All the while, the user gets frustrated because their download is not working.

The second reason is to help diminish the amount of file sharing that goes on.  We are a pretty small operation, so when our files get shared freely online, it really hurts.  Though I know there is no way to ever guard against copyright infringement, at least not 100%, transitioning to a streaming only platform will at least make things a bit more difficult, and hopefully make some kind of small difference in the level of piracy we experience.

I understand this move is likely to be controversial, and I welcome any feedback anyone may have on this issue.  I can be reached via the contact form here and I look forward to reading your thoughts.

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I have always liked HD W and HD D content.  I love how much TV Guy contributes on here and have even exchanged a few posts.  Admittedly, I have never purchased a membership, despite wanting to, it just hasn't been possible.  I have, in the past, signed up for a subscription here or there to other sights.  I can say this for sure.......a pure streaming site would absolutely make it so that I would never sign up.  I have to have something, especially for one of the most expensive memberships out there.  I know the quality is good and the effort he puts into it is magnificent. I just couldn't do it.  I do not share my videos with anyone, but I would like to be able to watch them again at some point. So, respectfully, I do not like the move.  

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1 hour ago, KubaAseph said:

Do you really think it will make videos undownloadable? :3

Well, no... I don't.  Anyone who is technically sophisticated enough is going to be able to figure out some way to save a copy of a video if they really want to.  However, that doesn't mean I have to make it easy for potential pirates.  The new videos are going to stream via secured RTMP, so this is true streaming, not progressive downloading.  So, at no point will the entire video exist on the end users computer.

There are essentially two kinds of pirates I deal with- The regular user, who has their collection of videos, and doesn't mind swapping videos on forums.  The other kind are those who upload to file sharing sites for some kind of karma, or points, or even financial rewards.  Sometimes these users will use stolen credit card data, which ultimately ends up costing me money.  So, for the casual pirate, it may not be worth it.  For the more serious pirate, it will hopefully make it a bit more difficult to wholesale rip of all the videos.  Right now, if you have a membership, you could fairly easily write a script to download everything.

59 minutes ago, Redd said:

I have always liked HD W and HD D content.  I love how much TV Guy contributes on here and have even exchanged a few posts.  Admittedly, I have never purchased a membership, despite wanting to, it just hasn't been possible.  I have, in the past, signed up for a subscription here or there to other sights.  I can say this for sure.......a pure streaming site would absolutely make it so that I would never sign up.  I have to have something, especially for one of the most expensive memberships out there.  I know the quality is good and the effort he puts into it is magnificent. I just couldn't do it.  I do not share my videos with anyone, but I would like to be able to watch them again at some point. So, respectfully, I do not like the move.  

I truly appreciate where you are coming from.  I think I would still like to offer a pay-per-download option, or perhaps some kind of cloud storage system for members to save their videos online and watch any time, even if their membership is currently expired.  Another thing I've been considering is alternative pricing structures for streaming only- Perhaps offering a two tier membership system- Lower cost streaming only or higher cost with downloads?  Or maybe unlimited streaming, but a limited number of video downloads?

I'm not sure...

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2 hours ago, TVGuy said:

 

I truly appreciate where you are coming from.  I think I would still like to offer a pay-per-download option, or perhaps some kind of cloud storage system for members to save their videos online and watch any time, even if their membership is currently expired.  Another thing I've been considering is alternative pricing structures for streaming only- Perhaps offering a two tier membership system- Lower cost streaming only or higher cost with downloads?  Or maybe unlimited streaming, but a limited number of video downloads

 I could see having an everlasting account login that would retain my personal streaming rights to what I have purchased.  That wouldn't be so bad.  I would think the risk for you in general would be my potential lifetime bandwidth usage.  But as you stated, so much has changed and maybe that isn't so much of an issue anymore.

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Is the intention to stop casual users downloading videos?

At the end of the day, if you watch it, you can save it. There's no stopping that unfortunately. I'm just wondering whether doing what you are planning will only alienate your customer base rather than stopping pirates. It will definitely make it more time consuming for them, which might mean it isn't worth it, but it won't flat out stop them.

Personally, I'll see if I can still save them - secure or not there's always a way. If its too troublesome though I don't think it would be worth a subscription for me. Having to re-stream the video every time I want to watch it isn't something I would want to do. Of course its possible with today's connection, but I hate the idea of depending on someone elses connection. Lets say, hopefully years into the future, you stop hosting HDWetting - that would be it, content gone forever. It's the same situation as buying a DRM video from iTunes and Amazon :/

A more expensive download option might be something consider? Even if you capped it at x amount of videos per month, as long as you could download the current months worth of videos it might work? At least then people with the right intentions have options to save the video without resorting to 'unsupported methods' - though I get this wouldn't get round the issue of having to support customers about playing the video, unless you could somehow put a disclaimer in.

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Hey TVGuy,

First off, thanks again for all of the work you have put into your sites, the videos are great.

You may want to think about alternatives to eliminating downloads. Several sites have done this in the past, and I am hard pressed to find one for which it worked out well. Mofos eliminated downloads, and they were met with uniformly negative feedback on the AdultDVDTalk forum. AmericanKittens.com eliminated downloads in an effort to switch to a "Netflix style" business model, and their webmaster said that even a year out from the switch, both the technical aspect and sales were more challenging than he anticipated.

I would love to suggest an alternative that might be better for you and your customers. Invisible watermarks allow users to download their own copies, but they know they will be caught if they pirate them. Each invisible watermark contains a unique identifier for the customer, which you can match to their identity with a list that you keep private and secure. Few sites actually do this, but I predict it will grow dramatically in the coming years.

Needapee.com is the only site I know that definitely does this, and it works well as a piracy deterrent. I know they do it because the watermarks are opaque but not completely invisible and you can see them on the videos quite easily if you look. There are even rumors that one customer who pirated their videos got a cease and desist letter from their attorney, so this is a strong deterrent. Her system is not perfect though, because you have to request videos, then wait a day for the links to the watermarked videos to be emailed to you.

There is also a widespread rumor out there that LegalPorno.com uses invisible watermarks. While some of their videos are pirated, it is less widespread than most sites, so it seems to have a deterrent effect.

The SoftOrbits video watermark maker has a command line interface that you could use to automate watermark application on your server prior to downloading.

http://www.softorbits.com/video-watermark-software/

You could also limit the number of daily downloads to counter the increased load on your server that this would cause.

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19 minutes ago, LPee23 said:

Needapee.com is the only site I know that definitely does this, and it works well as a piracy deterrent. I know they do it because the watermarks are opaque but not completely invisible and you can see them on the videos quite easily if you look. There are even rumors that one customer who pirated their videos got a cease and desist letter from their attorney, so this is a strong deterrent. Her system is not perfect though, because you have to request videos, then wait a day for the links to the watermarked videos to be emailed to you.

I find the needapee one really intrusive, I get why it has to be at the center of the video but it would be nice if it was a bit more 'invisible'. In some lightning its clearer than anything else in the video :/

Also not sure how much the re-encode of the video with the watermark effects the final quality of the video either. And as you said, the waiting for the video was always annoying - in some cases I never got the video requested and had to reach out to support as they didn't allow you to request again unless the initial request had been completed (think I waited two weeks, while other videos where coming through too lol).

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As a note, @TVGuy, if you haven't tried connected with adult professionals and such about this (XBiz.net has active forums for adult site webmasters), many porn sites are facing the exact same problem you are - piracy destroying profits. Some hire companies and whatnot to do prosecution, but a lot of people have moved towards the identified watermark like someone above posted.

I get why you'd need to it; it just frustrates me that certain websites still allow AND encourage members to post content that isn't their own. Of course, sharing over torrents is still a particular problem as well. 

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Wow, thank you everyone for so much great feedback.  I truly appreciate how well thought out all of the responses have been.  In posting here, I was afraid that I would only be met with anger for even considering removing downloads.  Reading through well thought out, reasonable opinions, has really been helpful.

There seems to be a concern about server/bandwidth usage.  This actually isn't something I am worried about.  Even if every single member of HD Wetting and HD Diapers were to stream videos 24/7 things would still be fine.  Even if membership numbers were quadrupled, things would be fine.  I would need around ten times the members I have right now, streaming 24/7, for server load/bandwidth to start to become an issue.  If it gets to that point, I would be making a lot more money from memberships, and upgrading to more bandwidth wouldn't be a problem. 

18 hours ago, KubaAseph said:

I think two memberships would be the best way.

Also even if stream is secure you can still record flowing data. I recommend you trying JW player, it's immune to most extensions (althrough still can be hacked with Chrome tools). Anyway should make download much harder for casuals.

I like the two membership solution, but it would be more difficult to implement.  At its most fundamental level, the sites and the server are configured to offer have a public document area and a membership secure document area.  To offer different experiences based on different membership tiers would mean having to go back and change a lot about how the site works.

And I did look into JW player, but ultimately decided not to use it.  It does a lot that I don't need, and since the sites already have a specific data structure in place, I wanted a player that didn't need as much work to get going with the way the sites worked.  Ultimately I ended up using a highly custom player.  And I added a few tricks, like false stream headers and encrypted block indexing, to make things a bit more difficult for those who would try to capture and assemble the stream.

1 hour ago, Pcwp said:

Is the intention to stop casual users downloading videos?

At the end of the day, if you watch it, you can save it. There's no stopping that unfortunately. I'm just wondering whether doing what you are planning will only alienate your customer base rather than stopping pirates. It will definitely make it more time consuming for them, which might mean it isn't worth it, but it won't flat out stop them.

Personally, I'll see if I can still save them - secure or not there's always a way. If its too troublesome though I don't think it would be worth a subscription for me. Having to re-stream the video every time I want to watch it isn't something I would want to do. Of course its possible with today's connection, but I hate the idea of depending on someone elses connection. Lets say, hopefully years into the future, you stop hosting HDWetting - that would be it, content gone forever. It's the same situation as buying a DRM video from iTunes and Amazon :/

A more expensive download option might be something consider? Even if you capped it at x amount of videos per month, as long as you could download the current months worth of videos it might work? At least then people with the right intentions have options to save the video without resorting to 'unsupported methods' - though I get this wouldn't get round the issue of having to support customers about playing the video, unless you could somehow put a disclaimer in.

You made some very good points.  I can't really argue with anything you said.

The intent would be be to A) Hopefully cut down on the levels of piracy by making it a bit more difficult for pirates to rip off everything.  I understand that it will always be possible to somehow capture a video, but if I make it a bit more difficult, my hope is that at least some pirates will decide it isn't worth the time and B) To not have to support users who have difficulty figuring out how to download videos to their devices and play videos in external players.  If they don't see a download link right there, they aren't going to click on it, then write me an angry e-mail when they have no idea where the file saved or where to watch it.

1 hour ago, LPee23 said:

Hey TVGuy,

First off, thanks again for all of the work you have put into your sites, the videos are great.

You may want to think about alternatives to eliminating downloads. Several sites have done this in the past, and I am hard pressed to find one for which it worked out well. Mofos eliminated downloads, and they were met with uniformly negative feedback on the AdultDVDTalk forum. AmericanKittens.com eliminated downloads in an effort to switch to a "Netflix style" business model, and their webmaster said that even a year out from the switch, both the technical aspect and sales were more challenging than he anticipated.

I would love to suggest an alternative that might be better for you and your customers. Invisible watermarks allow users to download their own copies, but they know they will be caught if they pirate them. Each invisible watermark contains a unique identifier for the customer, which you can match to their identity with a list that you keep private and secure. Few sites actually do this, but I predict it will grow dramatically in the coming years.

Needapee.com is the only site I know that definitely does this, and it works well as a piracy deterrent. I know they do it because the watermarks are opaque but not completely invisible and you can see them on the videos quite easily if you look. There are even rumors that one customer who pirated their videos got a cease and desist letter from their attorney, so this is a strong deterrent. Her system is not perfect though, because you have to request videos, then wait a day for the links to the watermarked videos to be emailed to you.

There is also a widespread rumor out there that LegalPorno.com uses invisible watermarks. While some of their videos are pirated, it is less widespread than most sites, so it seems to have a deterrent effect.

The SoftOrbits video watermark maker has a command line interface that you could use to automate watermark application on your server prior to downloading.

http://www.softorbits.com/video-watermark-software/

You could also limit the number of daily downloads to counter the increased load on your server that this would cause.

In my mainstream (non-adult) business I specialize in large scale event video production and custom live streaming solutions.  So this is something I have a bit of practice with.  Already, I do work for very large clients, setting up custom and secure live streams for them, using everything from dedicated streaming servers to Amazon's cloud services for content delivery.

Already, I have nearly completed building the new membership areas for HD Wetting and HD Diapers.  All the core functionality is in place, and working just fine, all that is left is some user interface enhancements and changing some placeholder graphics.  So, in regards to technical challenges, I feel that I am in pretty good shape.

Using some kind of invisible watermark system is something that I considered a while back.  However, offering instant access to videos is important to me.  In 2016 there is no reason users should have to wait to see their porn.  And, let us say I do this, and I successfully identify a pirate- What do I do then?  Do I sue them?  Lawsuits can have a huge impact on someone's life, especially if it brings their fetishes into the light.  But, if I don't actually follow through and file a lawsuit, why should pirates actually stop just because I caught them?

There is at least one law firm offering free copyright protection as a service.  The way they work is they have custom tech that puts an invisible watermark on the video, unique to each downloader.  Then, using a custom bot, they search the web for their clients videos.  Upon detecting them, they can file a lawsuit against the original downloader.  It wouldn't cost me anything, they would actually pay me out of what they get in settlements.  This is tempting, except that it would involve suing people.

1 hour ago, Pcwp said:

I find the needapee one really intrusive, I get why it has to be at the center of the video but it would be nice if it was a bit more 'invisible'. In some lightning its clearer than anything else in the video :/

Also not sure how much the re-encode of the video with the watermark effects the final quality of the video either. And as you said, the waiting for the video was always annoying - in some cases I never got the video requested and had to reach out to support as they didn't allow you to request again unless the initial request had been completed (think I waited two weeks, while other videos where coming through too lol).

Yeah, that sounds pretty horrible.  Especially since video quality is one of my primary selling points, I don't want to have a watermark right in the middle of the picture, that sounds extremely distracting.  And, like I said before, I don't think users should have to wait- 15 minutes or five days.  It is 2016, if you purchase a download you should be able to download it right now.

1 hour ago, girliegirl765 said:

As a note, @TVGuy, if you haven't tried connected with adult professionals and such about this (XBiz.net has active forums for adult site webmasters), many porn sites are facing the exact same problem you are - piracy destroying profits. Some hire companies and whatnot to do prosecution, but a lot of people have moved towards the identified watermark like someone above posted.

I get why you'd need to it; it just frustrates me that certain websites still allow AND encourage members to post content that isn't their own. Of course, sharing over torrents is still a particular problem as well. 

Yeah, it frustrates me too.  Pirates, and sites that traffic in pirated content, don't care if they put a site out of business.  There are plenty of other sites left to pirate from.

Sites like Netflix seem to work well- I don't hear too many Netflix users complaining because they can't download from Netflix.  They are huge, and though I'm sure there is some piracy, it is very difficult.

But, with porn, we have become accustomed to being about to download and save it.  On-demand television services never worked that way, so it never felt like we lost anything.

Currently, the idea I am toying with, is to offer a limited number of downloads.  Users would still be able to download videos, but not everything all at once.  There would be a hard limit to the number of downloads allowed in any given period.  That way casual users would be able to download their favorite content, but a pirate using a stolen credit card wouldn't be able to rip off the entire site instantly. 

Also, moving the downloads off of the video player page to a dedicated download page. That way less sophisticated users would not immediately see a download link and be tempted to click on it, but advanced users would still have downloads available as an option.

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23 minutes ago, TVGuy said:

Currently, the idea I am toying with, is to offer a limited number of downloads.  Users would still be able to download videos, but not everything all at once.  There would be a hard limit to the number of downloads allowed in any given period.  That way casual users would be able to download their favorite content, but a pirate using a stolen credit card wouldn't be able to rip off the entire site instantly. 

Also, moving the downloads off of the video player page to a dedicated download page. That way less sophisticated users would not immediately see a download link and be tempted to click on it, but advanced users would still have downloads available as an option.

I like that idea, I have seen at least the download limit implemented in a lot of places. And if you can make the download option less obvious then that might help with support issues.

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Personally, knowing I couldn't download files would entirely deter me from buying a membership.

I can't stand streaming anything--partially because of my crap computer making it all awful and partially just personal preference.

Also, when I watch my omo videos, I always load all of them into a playlist in KMPlayer and hit shuffle--I would have no want or use for a streaming video, as it wouldn't fit in with my current habits and preferences.

While I understand and appreciate the piracy issues, I feel you'll be alienating and deterring many people if you completely remove downloads.

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Please consider that even the best encryption has a big problem - it has to be decrypted to watch. What means your streams aren't "frapsproof".

But I think that also can be solved - what about small red untransparent text line with username and email flashing for 2-3 seconds every minute of stream? This will make even screencapped streams uploader easy to identify. Also remember that transparent watermarks can be easily removed with free software. For downloadables I recommend small square (cutting it out will remove more pixels than cutting line) with letters in different colors (or untransparent).

Also I'm sure that pirates with stolen credit cards will bypass your max download limit by making multiple accounts using proxies. I don't know is it even possible (maybe by API?), but what about also limiting one cars to one-two accounts? This won't hurt users but will make proxy play harder.

And I just wanna ask: Do you have option to pay by PayPal and PSC? Some people (especially those "casuals") find PP safer (nobody cares that they use Trustly-srustly Account Stealer) and PSC is somewhat anonymous and much safer than any other way.

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On 8/6/2016 at 1:32 PM, KubaAseph said:

Please consider that even the best encryption has a big problem - it has to be decrypted to watch. What means your streams aren't "frapsproof".

But I think that also can be solved - what about small red untransparent text line with username and email flashing for 2-3 seconds every minute of stream? This will make even screencapped streams uploader easy to identify. Also remember that transparent watermarks can be easily removed with free software. For downloadables I recommend small square (cutting it out will remove more pixels than cutting line) with letters in different colors (or untransparent).

Also I'm sure that pirates with stolen credit cards will bypass your max download limit by making multiple accounts using proxies. I don't know is it even possible (maybe by API?), but what about also limiting one cars to one-two accounts? This won't hurt users but will make proxy play harder.

And I just wanna ask: Do you have option to pay by PayPal and PSC? Some people (especially those "casuals") find PP safer (nobody cares that they use Trustly-srustly Account Stealer) and PSC is somewhat anonymous and much safer than any other way.

I might look at doing some kind of unique watermarking system later, or some more subtle form of visual based information encoding in the video stream.  To start with, I just want to try make things not quite so easy for the casual pirate.  I know there will likely always be some kind of piracy, that I won't be able to eliminate all of it, I just hope to make it not quite so rampant.

As far as pirates using proxies, that is always possible.  However, I already have systems in place that compare user login info, payment info, and IP addresses, making it so a single user can't access from too many IP addresses, they would have to sign up for multiple accounts.  And, the number of accounts a user could sign up for simultaneously with a single credit card is limited.  I fully admit this won't stop someone who is fully determined, but, it will make it a bit more work for them. 

I don't think a pirate is going to think, "These HD Wetting videos are impossible to rip off!"  What I'm going for is more like, "This is a lot of time to do this, I'm not going to bother."

In regards to PayPal, the answer is no.  Paypal's terms of service specifically prohibits using it for adult content.  Further, their merchant TOS gives them the ability to not only seize any funds that were payed for prohibited uses, like adult content, but levy additional fines as well.  I haven't heard of them actually going that far before, but I would hate to find out the hard way.  And I do know that they have definitely banned certain merchants that were using it for adult content.  So, for me, Paypal isn't worth messing with.  Too much of a potential headache if I get caught.

For anyone who is interested, here is a screenshot of what the new members area is looking like so far.  It is hidden behind a spoiler tag because there is some nudity.

members-area.jpg

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16 hours ago, TVGuy said:

"I might look at doing some kind of unique watermarking system later, or some more subtle form of visual based information encoding in the video stream."

 

You were wondering what to do if you catch a pirate, short of suing them and potentially damaging their reputation for life?

Have your attorney draft a sternly worded cease and desist letter and have it delivered to their doorstep. This is sure to strike terror into the heart of any pirate. That is what needapee.com does and i've never seen any of their watermarked videos posted anywhere.

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I understand your concerns, I've seen your videos posted illegally in a number of places, it is a problem. However keep in mind it's this sort of mentality that nearly killed the mainstream music industry, their DRM and other security measures became so tight that it simply became easier for consumers to pirate content rather than buy it, mp3s from torrent sites don't require you to jump through a bunch of hoops in order to access your music from a new computer. Services like Spotify fixed this by using encrypted data that can be saved offline but only accessed through their app, and requires the user to log on every x number of days although I doubt your budget would allow for development of your own proprietary app or encryption.

 

Not sure how I feel personally about this idea, I'll have to think about it again when my membership is up for renewal.

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I think it is very unfortunate that you announce this only a few days after recommending to join HDWetting to someone who complained about lack of download at fetishgeek. Some weeks ago, you made the same recommendation to me, which I took up. You had also announced you'd replace both sites with fetishgeek within weeks. I'm confused now which of your sites I should look into. With monthly fees, a price increase and removal of downloads, HDWetting doesn't seem very interesting anymore. But I have doubts now whether I'll see your best content on fetish geek. Could you describe a bit more what will go on on the different sites?

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3 hours ago, ronmeyer said:

I think it is very unfortunate that you announce this only a few days after recommending to join HDWetting to someone who complained about lack of download at fetishgeek. Some weeks ago, you made the same recommendation to me, which I took up. You had also announced you'd replace both sites with fetishgeek within weeks. I'm confused now which of your sites I should look into. With monthly fees, a price increase and removal of downloads, HDWetting doesn't seem very interesting anymore. But I have doubts now whether I'll see your best content on fetish geek. Could you describe a bit more what will go on on the different sites?

After announcing the move to Fetish Geek, I received an overwhelming amount of feedback encouraging me not to shut down HD Wetting or HD Diapers.  Providing the best possible experience for users has always been a priority for me, so when I get overwhelming feedback about something, I tend to listen.  As such, I decided to listen to what everyone was telling me and keep HD Wetting and HD Diapers online.  However, I used some of the work I had put into FetishGeek in order to upgrade both HD Wetting and HD Diapers.

All the reasons for why I don't like offering downloads, as I outlined previously in this thread, are true.  However, after announcing my intention to roll back downloads, I again received a lot of feedback.  As a result of this feedback, I decided to keep downloads enabled at HD Wetting and HD Diapers, but limit the number of downloads in a 24 hour period.  Additionally, the downloads are offered through a separate page in the members area.  By making the download link less conspicuous, I was hoping that those who struggle figuring out how to save and open files would click on the download link less, and thus generate less requests for support.  You can still download from either HD Wetting or HD Diapers by clicking on the "Video Index/Download" link in the footer menu in the members area.

In regards to price increases, I have no intention of raising the cost of membership to either HD Wetting or HD Diapers in the immediate future either.

So, it really depends on what exactly you are looking for.  Personally, I think HD Wetting and HD Diapers offer the best value, with many hundreds of videos, photographs, ability to download videos, and multi-month discounts.

However, FetishGeek provides lower cost options, and if you are into both pants wetting and diapers, you can get both those things on FetishGeek for a single low price.  But, FetishGeek doesn't have the amount of content that HD Wetting and HD Diapers has, and it doesn't have any download options.

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25 minutes ago, ronmeyer said:

Thanks for the update. I didn't mean this as criticism, but to make up my mind what to do to goet your great videos. So to be clear: there will be new content on HD Wetting and HD Diapers that won't be available on Fetishgeek?

Eventually, I hope that all the content from HD Wetting and HD Diapers will be on FetishGeek, but this will take a very, very long time due to the amount of content involved.  Also, FetishGeek was built to be a video only platform, so image galleries definitely won't be there anytime soon, if at all.

If you want to make sure you get all the content, you can feel safe joining HD Wetting or HD Diapers- There is a lot more content there, and they will continue to get new updates right away, so you won't miss out on anything.  Plus, HD Wetting and HD Diapers gives you the ability to download videos.

On the other hand, if you want to save some money and just care about watching a video right now, FetishGeek might be the way to go.  If you don't care about all the videos, or the giant back log of content, and only want some good videos to watch right now, you may want to consider FetishGeek.  On all the sites you can browse all the content without joining to see what is available.

I hope this answers your question.

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8 hours ago, TVGuy said:

Okay, sorry, I haven't expected you already made some.

Althrough 60->24 gives only ≈3x slower motion. Is there no way to set camera to 120 or more FPS at the price of 720p?

Even simple pissing at 2400 FPS would be amazing :)

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