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Is Gender A Spectrum?

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Wizard is a gender and zoos are animals. I hate people sometimes. 

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I was aware that you referenced agender, but I missed the bit on bigender. Gotcha. The definition of gender had been changed, however, in the sense that it has been acknowledged as an entity that is separate from biological sex. There has already been discussion of gender being a social construct, so I'm not explaining that issue. Also, the experts in the field are a mess when it comes to gender identity. In the DSM, for example, they explicitly state that they are divorcing the concepts of sex and gender, but they still mix it up. Gender is a deeply personal and complicated issue for many, myself included, and I feel that we should give people leeway in their self determination.

 

With regards to the wizard gender, I feel that it would be perfectly valid if what you were describing with it were a gender with some sort of fit into that spectrum of yours. It doesn't matter what we call it, so long as the concept we are describing is reliable and valid. It is the main reason I disagree with your argument: your spectrum will describe how people feel about themselves, they just have different names for thing. Should the names be codified? Yes. Does the codification have to fall strictly into the sex related categories that you named? Not necessarily.  

 

Don't presume to deny the experiences of others because you haven't had them. Autism, for example, is different for everybody with it if some people feel that their gender is muddled in the mix, I'm not going to argue. It's probably a very small proportion of people attempting to describe how they feel without having a proper word for it. 

 

I address separation from Sex and the concepts involved in each. I'm beginning to think that you either just didn't read my posts, or read a sentence or two and started jumping to conclusions.. Pretty much everything you've brought up is something I've already explained. You don't have to explain it, because I already have.

 

Everything post that by definition are not gender. Literally by definition are not gender. You're getting gender and personalities mixed up, even self-identification and gender mixed up. These again are already things I have addressed. A zoo falls into the definition of living breathing lifeform better than any of that relates to gender. The only thing getting muddled in these cases are what gender actually is.

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I may have tread over ground you had, but I feel that it is important to acknowledge that being an expert in this field doesn't necessarily mean what it should.

I too looked at the list, and while many of them are pretty suspect (how you came by your gender identity and the whole kin business doesnt really have a place, I feel, nor do the abstract constructs which have nothing to do with masculinitt/femininity), many also have merit. There is a line between male and female, between masculine and feminine, and these attempt to describe particular places a person can be on that line. And to shoehorn people into male or female, with modifiers, may do disservice to the people who dont typify the extreme ends of the line, because they will lumped by others into only four groups: male, female, bigender, and agender. And there will be people whose particular dynamics are not adequately described in this fashion. For example, I do not identify with masculinity or maleness. I do identify with femininity, but cannot express it due to deep seeded personality flaws. Meanwhile, I do not reject my sex for it, and grudgingly accept an adrogenously male gender role. So how would you classify me? Here we branch into two subsets of gender: gender role and gender identity. Identity, in this case, is sorta female. Role is sorta male. Overall gender concept is an attempt to reconcile the two. A label for that doesn't really fit into your schema. You make an excellent point and I agree with you to a certain extent, regarding gender identity. But in viewing gender role, one cannot remove personality, for it forms the basis of the transition. A gender role is either forced or adopted, with the latter category being an attempt to reconcile gender identity with how one will act on it within society. And that is based inextricably on one's personality. And the concept of gender, left without a modifier, does not distinguish between these forms and, for me, represents a way of addressing both.

In addition, I would like to apologize. It took me a few rereadings to try to be clear about what you were saying and what you were trying to say, and I hope I have addressed it. Bear in mind that I am also pretty tired, so if what I said doesnt make sense, I can try to clarify later.

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Only male and female. Trangenderism has a proven neurological root, so thats the only situation in which I'd support someone who doesn't feel like their biological sex.

 

"X-gender" ism is just being edgy or a snowflake. Gender isn't something qualitative (ex. oh yeah im 50/50 boy and girl) nor something that cannot exist (ex. oh yeah im not of any gender). Either you are a manly man, womanly woman, a tomboy or an effeminate guy. It's OK to not conform to expected gender roles or cultures, but just silly when you think it justifies creating an entire gender. I never understood that

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It absolutely is. No black or white, just a big gray area, and what you see yourself as is just a certain percentage towards one or the other end. Both males and females produce estrogen and testosterone, it's just at what levels your body produces that make the difference. 

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I personally have always thought as cisgender identifying with your sex, and transgender being in the state of feeling uncomfortable and not identifying with your sex, and wanting the opposite one. From what I know, somebody who is comfortable with their sex is cisgender.

Basically, my understanding is there's four options:

1. You were assigned female at birth and you're comfortable with your biological sex, then you're a cis female

2. You were assigned female at birth and you're uncomfortable with your biological sex, then you're a trans male

3. You were assigned male at birth  and you're comfortable with your biological sex, then you're a cis male

4. You were assigned male at birth and you're uncomfortable with your biological sex, then you're a trans female

I have of course, never had the experience of being intersex, or of feeling anything but male, so my experience with regards to gender, and thus my understanding is limited. As I said before, I don't mean to invalidate or offend anyone at all, this is just my current understanding, and of course I am open to changing it with new information. Even if I never understand, I will still respect the way people identify regardless

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^I'd argue that's more accurately a description of cissexual vs. transsexual. After all, not every biological male that identifies as female or feminine is necessarily interested in altering their anatomy and/or body chemistry, nor does wanting a sex change necessitate rejection of the gender role associated with one's birth sex, and for that matter, it's possible to reject an assigned gender role while being comfortable with the body you were born with and identifying as the gender that corresponds to the anatomy you were born with. Also, I think it worth noting that, while rare, there are humans born with ambiguous genitals or a sex chromosome combination other than XX or XY, so even at the anatomic or genetic level, male/female is arguably a false dichotomy.

Granted, I still say part of the problem is that we don't have a clearly defined concept of masculine, feminine, gender, etc. that is independent of cultural context, and I'm not convinced we can arrive at any objective conclusions without such culturally independent definitions of the concepts being discussed.

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Born in a family of devote Mormons but raised with aspergers I had taken the time to study both the science and social aspect of this topic and find gender being a spectrum (Call me a single minded cys gender bigot) is complete horse crap. First of there is no way even with surgery and psychological alteration that you can swap genders like a shirt or a dvd, you are born with what you are made of no way to change that unless you figure out time travel, jump back to your conception and alter your gender with science fiction grade drugs. Secondly it has been this way for thousands of years and they think by having a dick and saying they are a chick isn't gonna do the damage to the wall that is thousands of years of social norm. Again call me old fashioned but what happened to the times where men and women were happy with what they were and weren't hopping genders like its hop scotch? I'm raised with traditional values like respect your elders and all but I think that gets thrown out the window when your elders start swapping genders like a pair of pants. That's my two cents on this and again call me what you want whether it be nazi or bigot or even cys gender racist anti feminist rape supporter but I don't care, it's my opinion your entitled to it and I'm entitled to mine.

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1 hour ago, Soldier 76 said:

Born in a family of devote Mormons but raised with aspergers I had taken the time to study both the science and social aspect of this topic and find gender being a spectrum (Call me a single minded cys gender bigot) is complete horse crap. First of there is no way even with surgery and psychological alteration that you can swap genders like a shirt or a dvd, you are born with what you are made of no way to change that unless you figure out time travel, jump back to your conception and alter your gender with science fiction grade drugs. Secondly it has been this way for thousands of years and they think by having a dick and saying they are a chick isn't gonna do the damage to the wall that is thousands of years of social norm. Again call me old fashioned but what happened to the times where men and women were happy with what they were and weren't hopping genders like its hop scotch? I'm raised with traditional values like respect your elders and all but I think that gets thrown out the window when your elders start swapping genders like a pair of pants. That's my two cents on this and again call me what you want whether it be nazi or bigot or even cys gender racist anti feminist rape supporter but I don't care, it's my opinion your entitled to it and I'm entitled to mine.

You, sir, are a single minded (as opposed to multuple-systemed) cys gender bigot. Just like me.

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I see gender and sex as the same thing. You are either a boy or girl. Now then I am 100% okay with be masculine or feminine but that doesn't change your gender to me. Even with surgery I'd say that gives you the other parts but doesn't change your actual gender. 

Now I'm gonna get complicated and I get that this is a personal thing for me but still relevant. If you are a guy and dress like a girl and prefer to be called a girl then I'll call you a girl. But that's like saying toast instead of toasted bread. You're a guy but you're a "girl". Now this part is definitely rude but I can't really help it, I would only really be okay doing the previous if and only if you are convincing to me. Like if you actually look like a girl or a guy then sure I'll call you that, I do't mind personally. but if you still look like a guy or girl then meh, that's what you are. I know that's kinda of a bad way to see it but that's how I see it. 

So to summarize my view: you are either male or female. If you can convincingly look the other gender then I'm okay referring to you as such but to me that doesn't change your actual gender. Like if I wear a skirt or a dress and a wig(that would be the super necessary part for me, my hair is garbage for a girl) then I'd still be a guy, even if I did that every day of my life. 

By allowing gender to be more than the binary we have too many things that I just can't agree to be a gender, like dragonkin and dogkin. That's not a gender. I'm not even sure what that could actually be classified as....

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@Soldier 76

First for the case of you can't swap genders, I'm assuming what you mean is you can't swap chromosomes? Indeed you can not. You will always have the chromosomes you were born with. You say it's been this way for thousands of years, that's making a very big assumption about all the cultures in the world. The native people of Canada actually highly valued people they called "two spirit". Not everywhere has the same view of gender that your culture may have. Also, I think you would agree that gender is, much more than chromosomes. Gender is seen as a core part of our identity in this society, ranging from our name, what clothes we wear and how we're expected to behave.  That being said, I do understand your irritation with being called a bigot and such. I have found a large amount of the LGBT community, especially online, to go down this route of insults, and not provide any substantial argument. You are entitled to your opinion, and have the right to speak with it, I would never disagree with that. I too have Aspergers, and I have to say, as a transgender person the lack of scientific evidence to support it does irritate me. I want more than anything to know why I feel the way I feel. Believe me I do not take my decision to change genders lightly, indeed it felt less like the a decision and more like a must if I was to be able to live my life with any satisfaction at all. Thank you for sharing your opinion. :) 

@OmniLisk Similarly as I said to Soldier, I'm sorry if people have responded to your opinions by simply calling you a bigot. There's no substance to that, and name calling doesn't resolve anything. I do disagree with you, but you have a right to your opinion and to say it. : ) 

 

@RainbowDash

In that case, what about intersex people? The difference between transgender people and otherkin is people have been born between the sexes, but nobody's been born between species (to my knowledge). Basically, people have been born with a mix of female and male sexual organs, but nobody has been born with a mix of canine and human organs.  That being said I think the definition of transgender has been hijacked a bit. I believe that Gender Dysphoria is a medical condition. Transitioning is a very very serious decision, it shouldn't be seen as any kind of hopscotch or game.  As someone with personal experience with this, I don't know why I am the way I am, I don't know why I feel this way, but it is crippling and there's no way for me to not transition. Not doing so would cause me to be so depressed I would likely end my life. I would give almost anything not to be transgender. Unfortunately, the queer community, especially online, does seem to have been taken over by people who think gender is a game, and that you can make up genders and change them as you please. Tumblr is the ultimate example of this. I just want to raise awareness that there are transgender people who take transitioning seriously and don't see it as a game. Thank you for taking the time to read, if you did. : ) 

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We learn in psychology that gender and sex could mean different things, even though things like "transgender" or "asexual" are being used interchangeably today. A "spectrum" is only a metaphorical visual aid for what people consider themselves as gender-wise. I personally have no issues with this as society is getting as complex if not even more than these labels of ourselves are, I accepted this as inevitable. Within that same breath, I will not remember any of these labels whole-heartedly enough to identity someone as them in public, and probably never will be able to. The reason is mostly because of the barriers between our own understandings of ourselves and our feelings and the way it really looks in the real world. I've myself been identified by others as a boy when I was little, is it my fault or theirs or neither that this happens? From this I can only conclude that not enough time has passed in which we nurtured ourselves to broaden our identification spectrum for us to be fully living more than two or three genders. It's why certain individuals have not even caught on the existence of a "transgender" and certainly why they do not know what "demisexual" means.

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On April 4, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Leitmotif said:

Sex is discrete, gender is continuous: you are born with certain reproductive parts - that is your sex, period. Changing your parts will not change your chromosomes. Gender - or how you identify yourself sexually - is based on many factors, such as innate sensibilities, your environment, and the way you're brought up, all at varying degrees. It is most certainly a spectrum because there is no set number of states regarding human emotions and desires.

A recent article in the New York Times sheds some light on the complexity of sexual identity, as opposed to gender identity. Bottom line: sex is not binary (male or female parts). Some people have genitals of both sexes. Some people reared as women have undescended testicles that produce testosterone. See http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/magazine/the-humiliating-practice-of-sex-testing-female-athletes.html for details. It's a long but eye-opening article.

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@ashamedboy Thanks for that little something there, boosted me up after some bad shit a work. But yeah I know most may take trans heavy but a recent trean has surfaced from the pits of tumblr for sexual idetification. But im glad you take it way more seriously than most people here in sin city

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On 6/30/2016 at 9:32 PM, gobphus said:

A recent article in the New York Times sheds some light on the complexity of sexual identity, as opposed to gender identity. Bottom line: sex is not binary (male or female parts). Some people have genitals of both sexes. Some people reared as women have undescended testicles that produce testosterone. See http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/magazine/the-humiliating-practice-of-sex-testing-female-athletes.html for details. It's a long but eye-opening article.

I know, that's why I said sex is discrete and not just binary. If you include hermaphrodites, then the number of sexes increases to 3 - so, biologically, there is still a finite number of sexes. Once you start dealing with how a person perceives oneself, then the answer is whatever that person wants it to be: 1/2 male, 1/2 female; 1/3 male, 2/3 female; male unicorn; a genderless tree; ad infinitum.

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Someone's Gonna Slap Me For This, But In My Opinion There IS Only 2 Genders. You Are Male Or Female. Doesn't Matter If You Are Trans, But You Are Still A Male Or Female. 

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I got this list of a genuine gender fluid support site.

These people are not trolling as far as I can tell.

They seriously believe the following genders exist:

 

 

Abimegender: a gender that is profound, deep, and infinite; meant to resemble when one mirror is reflecting into another mirror creating an infinite paradox

Adamasgender: a gender which refuses to be categorized

Aerogender: a gender that is influenced by your surroundings

Aesthetigender: a gender that is derived from an aesthetic; also known as videgender

Affectugender: a gender that is affected by mood swings

Agender: the feeling of no gender/absence of gender or neutral gender

Agenderflux: being mostly agender except having small shifts towards other genders making them demigenders (because of the constancy of being agender)

Alexigender: a gender that is fluid between more than one gender but the individual cannot tell what those genders are

Aliusgender: a gender which is removed from common gender descriptors and guidelines

Amaregender: a gender that changes depending on who you’re in love with

Ambigender: defined as having the feeling of two genders simultaneously without fluctuation; meant to reflect the concept of being ambidextrous, only with gender

Ambonec: identifying as both man and woman, yet neither at the same time

Amicagender: a gender that changes depending on which friend you’re with

Androgyne: sometimes used in the case of “androgynous presentation”; describes the feeling of being a mix of both masculine and feminine (and sometimes neutral) gender qualities

Anesigender: feeling like a certain gender yet being more comfortable identifying with another

Angenital: a desire to be without primary sexual characteristics, without necessarily being genderless; one may be both angenital and identify as any other gender alongside

Anogender: a gender that fades in and out but always comes back to the same feeling

Anongender: a gender that is unknown to both yourself and others

Antegender: a protean gender which has the potential to be anything, but is formless and motionless, and therefore, does not manifest as any particular gender

Anxiegender: a gender that is affected by anxiety

Apagender: a feeling of apathy towards ones gender which leads to them not looking any further into it

Apconsugender: a gender where you know what it isn’t, but not what it is; the gender is hiding itself from you

Astergender: a gender that feels bright and celestial

Astralgender: a gender that feels connected to space

(POSSIBLE TRIGGER WARNING) Autigender: a gender that can only be understood in the context of being autistic

Autogender: a gender experience that is deeply personal to oneself

Axigender: when a person experiences two genders that sit on opposite ends of an axis; one being agender and the other being any other gender; these genders are experienced one at a time with no overlapping and with very short transition time.

Bigender: the feeling of having two genders either at the same time or separately; usually used to describe feeling “traditionally male” and “traditionally female”, but does not have to

Biogender: a gender that feels connected to nature in some way

Blurgender: the feeling of having more than one gender that are somehow blurred together to the point of not being able to distinguish or identify individual genders; synonymous with genderfuzz

Boyflux: when one feels mostly or all male most of the time but experience fluctuating intensity of male identity

Burstgender: and gender that comes in intense bursts of feeling and quickly fades back to the original state

Caelgender: a gender which shares qualities with outer space or has the aesthetic of space, stars, nebulas, etc.

Cassgender: the feeling of gender is unimportant to you

Cassflux: when the level of indifference towards your gender fluctuates

Cavusgender: for people with depression; when you feel one gender when not depressed and another when depressed

Cendgender: when your gender changes between one and its opposite

Ceterofluid: when you are ceterogender and your feelings fluctuate between masculine, feminine, and neutral

Ceterogender: a nonbinary gender with specific masculine, feminine, or neutral feelings

Cisgender: the feeling of being the gender you were assigned at birth, all the time (assigned (fe)male/feeling (fe)male)

Cloudgender: a gender that cannot be fully realized or seen clearly due to depersonalization/derealization disorder

Collgender: the feeling of having too many genders simultaneously to describe each one

Colorgender: a gender associated with one or more colors and the feelings, hues, emotions, and/or objects associated with that color; may be used like pinkgender, bluegender, yellowgender

Commogender: when you know you aren’t cisgender, but you settled with your assigned gender for the time being

Condigender: a gender that is only felt during certain circumstances

Deliciagender: from the Latin word delicia meaning “favorite”, meaning the feeling of having more than one simultaneous gender yet preferring one that fits better

Demifluid: the feeling your gender being fluid throughout all the demigenders; the feeling of having multiple genders, some static and some fluid

Demiflux: the feeling of having multiple genders, some static and some fluctuating

Demigender: a gender that is partially one gender and partially another

Domgender: having more than one gender yet one being more dominant than the others

Demi-vapor (term coined by @cotton-blossom-jellyfish): Continuously drifting to other genders, feeling spiritually transcendental when doing so while having a clear -slightly blurred- inner visual of your genders, transitions, and positive emotions. Tied to Demi-Smoke.

Demi-smoke (term coined by @cotton-blossom-jellyfish): A transcendental, spiritual gender roughly drifting to other genders that are unable to be foreseen and understood, shrouded in darkness within your inner visual. Elevating through mystery. Caused by a lack of inner interpretation and dark emotional states. Tied to Demi-Vapor.

Duragender: from the Latin word dura meaning “long-lasting”, meaning a subcategory of multigender in which one gender is more identifiable, long lasting, and prominent than the other genders

Egogender: a gender that is so personal to your experience that it can only be described as “you”

Epicene: sometimes used synonymously with the adjective “androgynous”; the feeling either having or not displaying characteristics of both or either binary gender; sometimes used to describe feminine male identifying individuals

Espigender: a gender that is related to being a spirit or exists on a higher or extradimensional plane

Exgender:  the outright refusal to accept or identify in, on, or around the gender spectrum

Existigender: a gender that only exists or feels present when thought about or when a conscious effort is made to notice it

Femfluid: having fluctuating or fluid gender feelings that are limited to feminine genders

Femgender: a nonbinary gender which is feminine in nature

Fluidflux: the feeling of being fluid between two or more genders that also fluctuate in intensity; a combination of genderfluid and genderflux

Gemigender: having two opposite genders that work together, being fluid and flux together

Genderblank: a gender that can only be described as a blank space; when gender is called into question, all that comes to mind is a blank space

Genderflow: a gender that is fluid between infinite feelings

Genderfluid: the feeling of fluidity within your gender identity; feeling a different gender as time passes or as situations change; not restricted to any number of genders

Genderflux: the feeling of your gender fluctuating in intensity; like genderfluid but between one gender and agender

Genderfuzz: coined by lolzmelmel; the feeling of having more than one gender that are somehow blurred together to the point of not being able to distinguish or identify individual genders; synonymous with blurgender

Gender Neutral: the feeling of having a neutral gender, whether somewhere in between masculine and feminine or a third gender that is separate from the binary; often paired with neutrois

Genderpunk: a gender identity that actively resists gender norms

Genderqueer: originally used as an umbrella term for nonbinary individuals; may be used as an identity; describes a nonbinary gender regardless of whether the individual is masculine or feminine leaning

Genderwitched: a gender in which one is intrigued or entranced by the idea of a particular gender, but is not certain that they are actually feeling it

Girlflux: when one feels mostly or all female most of the time but experiences fluctuating intensities of female identity

Glassgender: a gender that is very sensitive and fragile

Glimragender: a faintly shining, wavering gender

Greygender: having a gender that is mostly outside of the binary but is weak and can barely be felt

Gyragender: having multiple genders but understanding none of them

Healgender: a gender that once realized, brings lots of peace, clarity, security, and creativity to the individual’s mind

Heliogender: a gender that is warm and burning

Hemigender: a gender that is half one gender and half something else; one or both halves may be identifiable genders

Horogender: a gender that changes over time with the core feeling remaining the same

Hydrogender: a gender which shares qualities with water

Imperigender: a fluid gender that can be controlled by the individual

Intergender: the feeling of gender falling somewhere on the spectrum between masculine and feminine; note: do not confuse with intersex

Juxera: a feminine gender similar to girl, but on a separate plane and off to itself

Libragender: a gender that feels agender but has a strong connection to another gender

Magigender: a gender that is mostly gender and the rest is something else

Mascfluid: A gender that is fluid in nature, and restricted only to masculine genders

Mascgender: a non-binary gender which is masculine in nature.

Maverique: taken from the word maverick; the feeling of having a gender that is separate from masculinity, femininity, and neutrality, but is not agender; a form of third gender

Mirrorgender: a gender that changes to fit the people around you

Molligender: a gender that is soft, subtle, and subdued

Multigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand omnigender

Nanogender: feeling a small part of one gender with the rest being something else

Neutrois: the feeling of having a neutral gender; sometimes a lack of gender that leads to feeling neutral

Nonbinary: originally an umbrella term for any gender outside the binary of cisgenders; may be used as an individual identity; occasionally used alongside of genderqueer

Omnigender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand polygender

Oneirogender: coined by anonymous, “being agender, but having recurring fantasies or daydreams of being a certain gender without the dysphoria or desire to actually be that gender day-to-day”

Pangender: the feeling of having every gender; this is considered problematic by some communities and thus has been used as the concept of relating in some way to all genders as opposed to containing every gender identity; only applies to genders within one’s own culture

Paragender: the feeling very near one gender and partially something else which keeps you from feeling fully that gender

Perigender: identifying with a gender but not as a gender

Polygender: the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand omnigender

Proxvir: a masculine gender similar to boy, but on a separate plane and off to itself

Quoigender: feeling as if the concept of gender is inapplicable or nonsensical to one’s self

Subgender: mostly agender with a bit of another gender

Surgender: having a gender that is 100% one gender but with more of another gender added on top of that

Systemgender: a gender that is the sum of all the genders within a multiple or median system

Tragender: a gender that stretches over the whole spectrum of genders

Transgender: any gender identity that transcends or does not align with your assigned gender or society’s idea of gender; the feeling of being any gender that does not match your assigned gender

Trigender: the feeling of having three simultaneous or fluctuating genders

Vapogender: a gender that sort of feels like smoke; can be seen on a shallow level but once you go deeper, it disappears and you are left with no gender and only tiny wisps of what you thought it was

Venngender: when two genders overlap creating an entirely new gender; like a venn diagram

Verangender: a gender that seems to shift/change the moment it is identified

Vibragender: a gender that is usually one stable gender but will occasionally changes or fluctuate before stabilizing again

Vocigender: a gender that is weak or hollow

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16 hours ago, jc22jc said:

These people are not trolling as far as I can tell.

Dubious. I have to admit that some of them are pretty cool concepts for H anime series, though (especially the bottom part of the list).

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not is it not you are either a male or a female at some point people need to learn and stop inventing stuff like that 

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I think the multiple genders are interesting. It doesn't bother me if people want to label how they feel. 

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Funny story: This year the university of michigan allowed people to specify their own pronouns that they want to be called.

One student put his pronoun as your majesty so now his lecturers are legally obliged to refer to him as 'your majesty'.

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28 minutes ago, jc22jc said:

Funny story: This year the university of michigan allowed people to specify their own pronouns that they want to be called.

One student put his pronoun as your majesty so now his lecturers are legally obliged to refer to him as 'your majesty'.

WHAT

WHAT

WHAT

HE STOLE MY IDEA, I'LL SUE HIM!

Well, not really, my preferred pronouns are either "your grace" or "my master".

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Back when I was at University the lecturers called me 'the scruffy guy who needs a haircut'.

So this would have been good for me.

Hugh-Mungus seems like a fun pronoun.

 

 

But Im an old bastard. Back when I went to Universitiy it was focused on learning and academia. We thought that diversity of opinion was very important and the concept of a 'safe space' for people who dont like being disagreed with was ridiculous.

Its completely the opposite now and I think any student going to university is spending a lot of money to learn things that wont help in their future career.

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My view, as a guy who wants to be a female, there are only 2 genders. Sure there are personality variety, like tomboy and such. But it makes 0 sense for there to be more than two. Same with sexuality, only three, Hetero, Homo, and Bi. This stuff isn't complicated.

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39 minutes ago, EMT said:

Same with sexuality, only three, Hetero, Homo, and Bi. This stuff isn't complicated.

So why in your opinion do only those sexualitues exist? Please explain. 

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