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On 7/22/2016 at 10:56 PM, KozmoFox said:

We also have to consider things revealed today such as all those leaked DNC emails (Thanks wikileaks!)

The DNC was plotting against Bernie Sanders from the start, in a manner violating multiple of its own charters. The DNC were conspiring with Clinton to get her into the nominee seat as early as March 2015. There was even money laundering involved. This is all super illegal, yet I doubt anything will be really done about this. But its now fact that Clinton AND the DNC violated multiple laws and charters, undermining other candidates and rigging multiple strings from within. This is not a myth. This is not a rumor. This is not a conspiracy. This is now fact that is out for everyone to see. Its not even up for debate! The DNC emails are out, the cat is out of the bag, I've been sifting and reading and what I'm seeing is despicable. Thank GOD I'm not american, I'd be absolutely livid. Secretary Clinton should be ashamed of herself, as should all of the members of the DNC involved in this illegal activity.

As much as I'd love to share your outrage, I can't really say I was surprised. The DNC knew that Sanders was their Trump-equivalent (if not NEARLY as offensive) and used the party machinery to enforce their will. This is Tammany Hall all over again. They weren't defeated, they were consumed by the party architecture. My bet is that they've been doing this for a good 50 years.

That being said, my own political affiliations (multiple online tests as well as my own research place me pretty squarely into the libertarian socialist camp) led me to Bernie Sanders as the best choice among a very murky candidate list. Having said that I will likely be voting for Clinton come November assuming she doesn't land herself in a cushy minimum-security prison for two very simple reasons:

- As much as the idealists might want to believe, neither Gary Johnson nor Jill Stein have a chance in hell of actually winning

- Of the given realistic choices, her policies best fit my political leanings (which is a frightening situation to be in) and, frankly, the status quo is a damn sight better than the policies Trump would implement

The idea that this man is a serious candidate for arguably the most powerful office on Earth terrifies me. For the literary buffs out there, Trump reminds me in a very bad way of Berzelius Windrip, the President in the novel It Can't Happen Here. Calling on his supporters to march in the streets and defend his system-smashing revolution, violently if necessary. Calling for the US to openly commit war crimes. His endorsements from all manner of dictators. At this point, though, all I can do is pray that he doesn't get in. And if he does... anyone outside the US mind having an adopted brother for a few years? -shot-

 

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I'm STILL SIFTING

There is so much shit in these emails.

Here's a screenie of one I found online, I might start taking my own excerpts and pasting them in here.

Jesus Christ Hillary what are you doing

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She's playing the Game of Politics. Just as every politician for the last 2,000 years has been. The only difference is she and the DNC got caught this time. As I said, the DNC saw Sanders (rightfully) as their Trump. A candidate that would do everything in his power to dismantle the current power structure. What you're seeing isn't some anomaly in a field of relatively benign politicking. It's a strike back against a threat to the current power players.

My view on this is that what we are seeing is the pinnacle of about a thousand years of wealth and labor hoarding in the West. Land, gold, iron, crops, water, industry... none of this stuff loses its value between governments. The aristocracy doesn't simply "go away" because you've become a federal republic or, indeed, a constitutional monarchy. If anything, it becomes entrenched because in the anarchy between the conversion they're the ones that can provide the most security. Make no mistake: money is power, no matter the government type. Those that can convert their liquidity into resources are all the more powerful.

In the end, the solution I see isn't the election of one politician or another. It's a solution I wish on no one. Humanity must face an extinction-level event. Whether it is a good thing (such as peaceful first contact or development of Star Trek-style replicators) or a bad thing (such as an imminent meteor strike or a war that sees planetwide destruction, not necessarily nuclear), it must be an immediate, Earth-shattering event. Climate change, unfortunately, won't be enough until you start hearing about cities like London, Washington, and Tokyo being entirely flooded by the ocean. It needs to be an event that, all at once, destroys or renders moot all current power structures and all capital. Humanity, in other words, needs a reset button.

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55 minutes ago, KozmoFox said:

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I'm STILL SIFTING

There is so much shit in these emails.

Here's a screenie of one I found online, I might start taking my own excerpts and pasting them in here.

Jesus Christ Hillary what are you doing

I've not really been keeping up with things over the water, but our news coverage of it seems to be full of nothing but endless speeches by Trump. I don't know anyone over here who has anything but outright contempt for him. He was speaking triumphantly on Sky News (not my choice) every half hour at work yesterday, and the reactions around the room (different people each time!) varied from dismay to genuine fear and anger every time. My perception is that people here, for the first time really, think that he's actually in with a real chance of winning it. 

And then this, the only real opposition. What indeed is Hillary doing?! I really do despair, and maybe @soaked90's extinction-level event isn't so far-fetched after all. I certainly can't imagine the world being a peaceful place.

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On the brightside, the head of the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, announced her resignation today. Part of the problem, solved.

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I don't think the situation is quite as bad as Soaked90 makes it out to be. Sure, mainstream politicians on all sides seem hellbent on ruining the lives of as many people as they can get away with, but despite their efforts, there's still no other point in human history I'd rather live(though, there are times I wish I had been born elsewhere in the developed world). If nothing else, I'm glad to live in a time and place where most houses have central heating and cooling and in-door plumbing, where the internet makes it trivial to talk with like-minded people halfway around the world, antibiotics and vaccines reduce once life-threatening infections to minor inconveniences, I can buy almost anything from the comfort of my bedroom, I don't need to be rich to afford food with flavor and don't need to grow my own, and probably a myriad of other modern conveniences that didn't exist a mere century ago or were only available to the super rich a century ago. Hell, just in my life time, the cost and size of computing components has come down so much that a penny today will buy you a computer that fits in your pocket, works anywhere you're likely to go on a daily basis and is orders of magnitude more powerful than a multi-thousand dollar desktop bought twenty years ago. Social and political progress is as slow as ever, and is probably decelerating as people live longer, but I'd argue the current level of technological progress more than offsets that, at least if you are among those who can benefit, and if anything, technology is as much a threat to old money as it is to cog in the machine workers at risk of being replaced by robots since many recent technologies reduce the dependence artisans, scholars, and engineers have on the patronage of the rich. Take the aspiring author for example, not that long ago it was almost impossible for an author to reach any kind of audience unless they could convince a publisher their work was worth the financial risk of printing a few thousand copies and distributing them, but now, it's essentially trivial to publish a novel electronically and there are many ways for an author to recieve compensation from their readers, often with the reader spending less money and the author getting more money on each sell compared to the old fashioned model of publishing.

Also, if anything, my current decision to vote Johnson come November is more out of cynicism than idealism. If my belief in US Democracy was as strong as it was in my youth, I'd probably be taking Clinton at her word and be supporting her wholeheartedly, but I realized years ago that our democracy only exists on paper. Barring a miracle, I'm not going to to like the results, and the best I can possibly hope for is a smaller gap between second and third place in the popular vote. Honestly, the only silver lining to the current clusterfuck that is US Federal politics is that Congress will likely remain too deadlocked for the next president to get anything done.

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On 7/23/2016 at 8:59 PM, Jeffery Mewtamer said:

I took the time to read the link Vexer posted, and ignoring that the article is probably trying to paint Clinton in the most positive light possible, here are some of my thoughts:

1. Honestly, her being a trained Lawyer is a point against her in my opinion, though that does seem like a fairly impressive resume otherwise. Actually, looking up the education of Trump(Bachelor's in Economics), Johnson(Bachelors in Political Science), and Stein(Undergrad in psychology, sociology, and anthropology, Doctorate in Medicine), I argue Stein is the only of the candidates I named above that actually has education remotely suitable to holding public office.

2. Sounds like some good work.

3. This section simplifies the stances mentioned to the point I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with most of them. Though to summarize my views on some of them:

I'm in favor of equal rights for GLBT and most other groups the prudes would condemn for sexual deviancy. This extends to legal recognition for all spousal units regardless of number or gender and by extention all nontraditional family structures, and an official policy of what happens behind closed doors between consenting adults being none of the government's business.

A complete ban on guns is unfeasible, and the kind of guns targeted by most partial ban proposals make up a small minority of guns used to commit crimes, and even if you could convince every non-criminal to hand over their guns, that only increases the power a gun-owning criminal has over potential victims, and even if we could magic away all the guns belonging to criminals, that just means more criminals will employ other weapons. In my opinion, it would be more productive to improve the quality and availability of proper training in the safe use of not only firearms, but all personal weapons. After all, the militia in the sense that the Framers of the Constitution would have used it, consists of every citizen willing to take up arms in the defense of home and country and surely a well-regulated militia is one where every member is well-versed in the use of their chosen arms. Besides, the more people that can properly defend themselves against a mugger, the more muggers that will be incapacitated long enough for police to arrive and the fewer people will think it worth the risk to mug someone. It is also probably worth examining the Swiss to see how they manage to have the second highest number of guns per capita after the US yet have gun crime statistics that compare favorably with countries that have had "successful" gun bans.

The legal system in the US is indeed broken. By some estimates, the majority of the US prison population have committed no true crime, and even among the true criminals in prison, many are nowhere dangerous enough to justify imprisonment, and many paroled inmates come out worse human beings than they were when they went in, and yet people scratch their heads when treating criminals and non-criminals that don't live up to the standards of those on their moral high horses like animals causes them to act like animals. And the police waste so much time and effort on non-criminals that many real criminals slip through the cracks.

An abortion is never a good thing, but banning abortions is counter productive. Instead, emphasis needs to be placed on universal availability of effective contraception and quality sexual education. In an ideal world, there would be no abortions with no need for a ban because everyone not actively pursuing parenthood would be on contraceptives.

4. I'm not convinced the first spouse has any inherent importance. Hell, the only First Ladies I can name are the first, the current, the one running for president, and the ones married to the Bushes(not that I could tell you which First Lady Bush was married to which President Bush).

5. I agree we're overdue for a female president. I even voted for Cynthia McKinney in 2008 and I'm only leaning Johnson over Stein in the current election because he has better odds of doing well enough to put a dent in the perception that the Republicrats are invincible. Not convinced Hilary Clinton is a good choice for our first female president.

If an abortion saves a person life it is definitely a good thing.

I for one am not nearly as cynical as you are, i'm proud to have voted for Obama twice and i'll be proud to vote for Hilary as well.

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^ I was considering that before she committed so many damn scandals it made my head spin. While one can try to put some sort of spin on everything else, this last thing with the DNC should be the final nail in the coffin. But its not. Because she is who she is, she'll get away with it. The only person more guilty than she was was forced to resign...and then was immediately hired by Clinton for her campaign. Red flag city.

I don't think I've ever seen a Presidential Candidate caught up in so many illegal and undemocratic scandals before the final primaries even began. Its mind boggling. If what is supposed to be a democratic process can end up like this, I never want to be an american citizen. I was actually considering moving to the U.S to be with someone, but instead I'm going to try and haul them up here.

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Wow, this election keeps on getting crazier. Did you all hear about the honorary seat DWS got on Clinton's campaign just after her announcement to resign? They're trying to make it as obvious as possible. 

Please, everyone who actually lives in the US: Don't vote for fraud or racism, vote for Jill Stein. Basically Bernie Sanders but then a whole party of it that doesn't hold the movement back. Or if you don't want that, Gary Johnson. Because even the libertarian party looks like a good option now compared to the Democrats and Republicans. If the establisment fucks the people, the people must fuck the establishment. Don't let them get away with this. If it's either Trump or Clinton I hope it will be Clinton, but either way both would be hated more than GWB. But I cannot emphasize enough how much worse Trump would be. 

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1 hour ago, TheGreatNobody said:

but either way both would be hated more than GWB

It's time for the OFFICIAL POSTER of this election campaign

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Mind describing the poster for the blind man's benefit?

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21 minutes ago, Jeffery Mewtamer said:

Mind describing the poster for the blind man's benefit?

AVP: Alien vs Predator.

Whoever wins... we lose.

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On 7/23/2016 at 8:59 PM, Jeffery Mewtamer said:
10 hours ago, KozmoFox said:

^ I was considering that before she committed so many damn scandals it made my head spin. While one can try to put some sort of spin on everything else, this last thing with the DNC should be the final nail in the coffin. But its not. Because she is who she is, she'll get away with it. The only person more guilty than she was was forced to resign...and then was immediately hired by Clinton for her campaign. Red flag city.

I don't think I've ever seen a Presidential Candidate caught up in so many illegal and undemocratic scandals before the final primaries even began. Its mind boggling. If what is supposed to be a democratic process can end up like this, I never want to be an american citizen. I was actually considering moving to the U.S to be with someone, but instead I'm going to try and haul them up here.

Hilary has already denounced DWS, people who say it reflects badly on Hilary are talking nonsense.  People are greatly overreacting to her, she hasn't been caught in any real scandals.  They were all non-issues blown way out of proportion by right-wing nutjobs.

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2 hours ago, OmniLisk said:

AVP: Alien vs Predator.

Whoever wins... we lose.

Dead wrong.

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10 hours ago, KozmoFox said:

^ I was considering that before she committed so many damn scandals it made my head spin. While one can try to put some sort of spin on everything else, this last thing with the DNC should be the final nail in the coffin. But its not. Because she is who she is, she'll get away with it. The only person more guilty than she was was forced to resign...and then was immediately hired by Clinton for her campaign. Red flag city.

I don't think I've ever seen a Presidential Candidate caught up in so many illegal and undemocratic scandals before the final primaries even began. Its mind boggling. If what is supposed to be a democratic process can end up like this, I never want to be an american citizen. I was actually considering moving to the U.S to be with someone, but instead I'm going to try and haul them up here.

She hasn't done anything illegal, also people love America and aren't likely to want to move elsewhere since plenty of other countries have their big problems(as we're seeing with Brexit and Turkey's failed military coup).

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7 hours ago, vexer6 said:

and Turkey's failed military coup

Speaking of which, that lolcoup was the most pathetic attempt to overthrow the government I've ever seen. When you capture the TV, you use it to spread propaganda: to explain people who you are, what you're doing and what do you have to offer. These rebels did nothing, they just said that they're taking over and everyone should stay at home. What would a normal citizen think in such situation? Right, "Oh my Allah, it's a bunch of nutjobs with guns and tanks!" Looks like their only plan was to kill or capture Erdogan, but someone warned him and he fled from Marmaris before they got there. Then they've lost momentum and it all went downhill because of poor coordination, while Erdogan mobilized his people to rise against the insurgents. 1/10, one point for trying.

Fun fact: O was silent for all this time and only meeped something about "legitimate government" when the outcome was already clear.

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I don't know, the British Isles sound like a fairly nice place to live even with the uncertainty surrounding the fallout from the leave vote, not to mention their two major parties don't seem as utterly corrupt as the US's major parties and their minor parties actually have a foothold in national politics. Plus I wouldn't even need to learn a new language. Granted, if the British are as hostile to US immigrants as to EU immigrants, that could be a deal killer. Canada also sounds like a nice place to live, but unless things have changed in the last 15 years, a US immigrant to Canada has to put up with bullshit laws that ban hiring of immigrants unless there are no Canadian applicants. South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand are out because of hot climates, and pretty much anywhere else worth living on this planet I run into the shortcomings of being an English monoglot.

Then again, even without having to worry about the locals mistreating foreigners or not speaking the local language, I couldn't afford to move to another city within the same state, much less leave the country. Technology has shrunken the world to the point that it's trivial to carry on a conversation with people on multiple continents and the only real impediment to importing foreign goods are nosy customs agents and artificial region locking on some types of media, but actually relocating to another part of the globe is still prohibitively expensive if you aren't among the super rich.

As an aside, whenever I hear a political blowhard, regardless of party, talk about "making America great again", all I can think is "When was America ever great?"

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5 hours ago, Jeffery Mewtamer said:

I don't know, the British Isles sound like a fairly nice place to live even with the uncertainty surrounding the fallout from the leave vote, not to mention their two major parties don't seem as utterly corrupt as the US's major parties and their minor parties actually have a foothold in national politics. Plus I wouldn't even need to learn a new language. Granted, if the British are as hostile to US immigrants as to EU immigrants, that could be a deal killer. Canada also sounds like a nice place to live, but unless things have changed in the last 15 years, a US immigrant to Canada has to put up with bullshit laws that ban hiring of immigrants unless there are no Canadian applicants. South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand are out because of hot climates, and pretty much anywhere else worth living on this planet I run into the shortcomings of being an English monoglot.

Then again, even without having to worry about the locals mistreating foreigners or not speaking the local language, I couldn't afford to move to another city within the same state, much less leave the country. Technology has shrunken the world to the point that it's trivial to carry on a conversation with people on multiple continents and the only real impediment to importing foreign goods are nosy customs agents and artificial region locking on some types of media, but actually relocating to another part of the globe is still prohibitively expensive if you aren't among the super rich.

As an aside, whenever I hear a political blowhard, regardless of party, talk about "making America great again", all I can think is "When was America ever great?"

Dosen't sound like a fun place to live for me at all, especially not with U.K. government ridiculous overbearing puritanical stance on restricting porn.  Say what you will about the U.S., but we don't try and dictate what people can and can't do in porn(outlawing fisting and showing female orgasms? seriously WTF?)

I think America is still a damn good country in spite of it's flaws, I can't possibly imagine ever wanting to live anywhere else.  

You know that saying, "the grass is always greener on the other side".

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13 hours ago, OmniLisk said:

Speaking of which, that lolcoup was the most pathetic attempt to overthrow the government I've ever seen. When you capture the TV, you use it to spread propaganda: to explain people who you are, what you're doing and what do you have to offer. These rebels did nothing, they just said that they're taking over and everyone should stay at home. What would a normal citizen think in such situation? Right, "Oh my Allah, it's a bunch of nutjobs with guns and tanks!" Looks like their only plan was to kill or capture Erdogan, but someone warned him and he fled from Marmaris before they got there. Then they've lost momentum and it all went downhill because of poor coordination, while Erdogan mobilized his people to rise against the insurgents. 1/10, one point for trying.

Fun fact: O was silent for all this time and only meeped something about "legitimate government" when the outcome was already clear.

Well there's not really much he could've said about that. I'm still trying to wrap my head around whether the attempted coup would've been a good or a bad thing if it succeeded.

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I'm with Jeffery on the technology issues, for sure. No part of human civilization evolves faster than its technical, industrial, and communication infrastructure; all other elements seem static and unchanging by comparison, though sometimes they are simply changing at a ludicrously slow pace.

I don't entirely agree with soaked90's evaluation that we need to reset everything to get rid of the current calcification and entrenchment, although that would probably be the only thing that would shake up the foundations of the existing power structure. Or, to put it more accurately, the last thing we need or want is a "hard" reset that wipes out everything. That would put us back where we were several thousand years ago and there is no way to be sure that we wouldn't make the same mistakes again. We might end up with the same thing we have now, but without indoor plumbing or personal computers or antibiotics. What we need is a "soft" reset, one that undermines the fundamental ability of the coordinators of power blocs and resource gatekeepers to coordinate or provide / restrict access to resources. I'd like to think that various open source, decentralized initiatives can contribute to that and allow a wider range of people to do and make more with less, thereby removing a great deal of leverage from those who hold purse strings and set policy. Also, with greater decentralization it becomes harder for any one individual or group to act as gatekeeper for the new technology, which lowers the chances of running into the "meet the new boss same as the old boss" problem where the political machinery stays the same and only the names on the ballot change.

It's not impossible though. I write the occasional digital book and I've been watching how Amazon has influenced the e-book market, devaluing the books themselves and using it to create a vast library of low cost / no cost reading material to draw customers away from other distributors or platforms. It's not sustainable in the long run, but it only has to last long enough for competitors to go out of business. (Also known as the Wal-Mart strategy.)

Of course, just because people can make their own tools, cars, houses, food, cottage industry tools, and so on and so forth, doesn't mean they will. Economy of scale and specialization of production exist for a reason. But the option should always be open. I think that stuff like Open Source Ecology and their related groups and programs is a step in the right direction for that reason. Also because, in the event of a "hard" reset, rebuilding will be a lot quicker with a distributed industrial base.

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On 27-7-2016 at 3:31 AM, vexer6 said:

Hilary has already denounced DWS, people who say it reflects badly on Hilary are talking nonsense.  People are greatly overreacting to her, she hasn't been caught in any real scandals.  They were all non-issues blown way out of proportion by right-wing nutjobs.

Let me quote her complete statement on DWS:

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“I want to thank my longtime friend Debbie Wasserman Schultz for her leadership of the Democratic National Committee over the past five years. I am grateful to Debbie for getting the Democratic Party to this year’s historic convention in Philadelphia, and I know that this week’s events will be a success thanks to her hard work and leadership. There’s simply no one better at taking the fight to the Republicans than Debbie–which is why I am glad that she has agreed to serve as honorary chair of my campaign’s 50-state program to gain ground and elect Democrats in every part of the country, and will continue to serve as a surrogate for my campaign nationally, in Florida, and in other key states. I look forward to campaigning with Debbie in Florida and helping her in her re-election bid–because as President, I will need fighters like Debbie in Congress who are ready on day one to get to work for the American people.”

Honorary chair, being grateful, commenting on her hard work and leadership, helping her being re-elected, that doesn't sound like denouncing to me. Saying she denounced her is just willfully ignorant, because this stuff is easy to find. You say people who say otherwise are talking nonsense, yet your only claim to back this up is made up. You're not the only Clinton supporter I've seen doing this. Saying all her scandals are non-issues that are blown out of proportion is a way too easy way to get out of this and you're framing anyone who criticizes her actions as a right-wing nutjob. I am about as far from right wing as you can get, and I first thought the email scandal was overblown too. Then more info came out, and I started to change my mind and I don't think how anyone can't after the full statement of the FBI director. Maybe she didn't willfully break the rules, but she did. She was way too inconsiderate with state secrets while being Secretary of State of all things. They think it's a real possibility that the US's enemies got information because of this that was classified as top-secret. That's reckless. She has been caught in her lies about this; she stated she didn't use it for sensitive information. The FBI disagrees. This is someone you're trying to elect to the most powerful position in the world. It's not a game of what's legally prosecutable and what not. These things are extremely important, no matter what you want to believe. 

Her flip-flopping on nearly all her stances when she found it was politically better for her to change it was just a reason not to vote for her (you know, integrity, ideals, assessing how she would deal with situations when it doesn't have any electoral consequences etc). The things above are reasons to warn everyone not to vote for her. 

You're just taking what happened with the Benghazi (so-called) scandal, applying that to anything else she's done and hoping it's true. This is cognitive dissonance at its finest. If Republicans overblow a few scandals and create a few extra, that doesn't mean you can just happily ignore any real scandal that comes to light. 

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17 hours ago, Jeffery Mewtamer said:

I don't know, the British Isles sound like a fairly nice place to live even with the uncertainty surrounding the fallout from the leave vote, not to mention their two major parties don't seem as utterly corrupt as the US's major parties and their minor parties actually have a foothold in national politics. Plus I wouldn't even need to learn a new language. Granted, if the British are as hostile to US immigrants as to EU immigrants, that could be a deal killer. 

The majority aren't hostile to either EU or US immigrants, honestly. The problem is that a far right minority directly associate immigration variously with Muslim extremists and Eastern European "foreigners coming over here and stealing our jobs innit", then stir up all sorts of hatred against immigrants amongst their followers using sensationalist headlines and images that they know will play to the insecurities of a proportion of the population. You only have to look at the "Britain First" Facebook page, seemingly the centrepiece of their attempt at a political movement, to see just how extreme they are themselves, and how vile their views are. They're certainly not anything like representative of the population as a whole though!

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Kind of the same thing as the whole Trump-phenomenon. It's happening everywhere in the western world. Pretty scary. Least of all Germany, but even there there the AFD which won a lot latest election. Nowhere near being a big political force, but it is in France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Denmark... almost all of Europe really. 

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I'm sure most Brits are rather nice blokes and bents(my apologies if my use of British slang is inaccurate or unintentionally offensive), but there are enough who are openly hostile to one group of outsiders to make someone from another group of outsiders question if a hypothetical move to the UK would be a bad idea just on how the nastier elements would treat an innocent immigrant. And really, there doesn't seem to be anywhere in the world that's completely accepting of foreigners moving in.

Then again, it seems like most social problems are caused by a relatively small number of trouble makers keeping the majority from getting on with their lives. Sexual and Racial inequality still exist in the US, but best I can tell, there are very few men actively trying to keep women down and very few whites actively trying to keep blacks down. In fact, there are times I wonder if "unprivileged" individuals who act like every member of the corresponding "privileged" group is personally responsible for all their problems aren't going more to maintain current levels of inequality by drowning out legitimate concerns than "privileged" individuals actively upholding inequality.

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@TheGreatNobody, thanks for saying these things before I could. Everything new that comes out about her seems to involve her breaking some sort of law, whether it be her emails or the emails of the DNC themselves. This is fact, not opinion; these things are confirmed and otherwise out there for the world to see, if people would actually just look for the information instead of just citing biased articles on the matters. The FBI's full statement is there. All the DNC emails? Literally on the internet to read, go read them. Its not up for debate, anyone who says that she hasn't done anything wrong is lying both to themselves and others. If Sanders had done even 1/4 of the shit she's done, he'd have been denounced, asked to resign from his position, step down from the race, and possibly have been convicted, given the illegality of such situations. She's a lying snake of a woman...she makes me sick.

I'm inclined to agree with @OmniLisk's analogy. I'd peg her as the Xenomorph, myself.

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